JT Leroy in Palm Reader

[AspiringEmperor]

Okay, I thought everyone would say this right after they heard the studio thing of palm reader. but my opinion is that JT Leroy sounds like an indistinct little girl, and that the entire into it thereby ruined. They should make the intro to Palm Reader more like that of The Background or something, maybe with a little added bass. But thats all hope, the point is that JT Leroy may be a great writer (i dont hold this belief, hes good, but not anything very special), but Jenkins needs to kind of seperate his personal life from his music.

Bottom line is, the intro sucks, i love Palm Reader, until I heard that intro it had been my favorite song, but I'm just not into hearing a preteen girls voice before a great song. I'll probably skip that track once I buy the CD.

-stephen

[Punkadelica]

I like it.

But I agree that he does indeed sound like a chick.

[Bob Mackie]

Originally posted by AspiringEmperor
Jenkins needs to kind of seperate his personal life from his music.
I've always thought it was an artist's personal life that gave him/her a reason to write music in the first place. Or maybe not 100%, I mean, I have enough knowledge about music that I could write some simple music, but if it's going to have the effects on us that 3eb's music has, it must come from somewhere within and have something behind it. But I guess since we're not with SJ thoughout everything he does there are a few things we cannot truly connect to.

[dani]

lets face it...

if you didn't know that was JT Leroy talking in the intro you wouldn't have a problem with it. You would think it was a girl and therefore believe it is okay. However, because JT is a guy and 90% of the world fears that which is not the "norm" you automatically think it sucks. Why don't you try, if you can, to stop judging someone by their voice. Do ya know JT? Have ya talked to him? I'm with Bob Mackie on this one - an artist discovers music from personal experience...Stephan said on Stern that he thought there was something musical about the phone messages. That, my friends, is the way Jenkins is choosing to express himself artistically and if you don't like it, then don't buy the record. period.

I think that if 3eb has made changes to their music based on the opinions of people who post here as has been suggested, that was the worst mistake 3eb ever made because now everyone thinks it's their right....wait...their DUTY to "suggest" things 3eb can do to make the record fit to their own personal preferences. That blows. I'm sorry, but I don't want Palm Reader to change because Aspiring Emporer says so. I don't want the album title to be Crystal Baller because Dave threw a fit. I don't want "lyric changes","upbeat intros" or "kickass bass solos" because some of you miss that from the live show. Did it ever occur to some of you that live versions are supposed to be different to excite us to go to the shows?

I want this record to be a total representation of the experiences and tastes from four people and four people only: Tony, Stephan, Brad and Arion. That's what makes it real. That's what makes it "art" and that is what made me a fan in the first place. When y'all start your recording careers, I'll listen to your shit. Until then, just let me have my 3eb.

[Freckles528]

By the way, where is everyone hearing the studio version from???????????:confused:

[dani]

Freckles: The Howard Stern Interview SJ did a couple of days ago.

Simon: uh....yeah. I'm 5'5 on a good day, shoulder length dark hair with glasses. I can barely lift a 20 lb bag of dogfood. How in the world anyone would be intimidated by me in a dark alley is beyond my comprehension.

[Freckles528]

Originally posted by dani
Freckles: The Howard Stern Interview SJ did a couple of days ago.


Ok, Brandon just downloaded it last night. Havent had a chance to listen to it yet. I will later on today.

[Apoc]

The song (starting with the phone message) starts around 24:53 if you want to skip straight to that.

[Jenkinator3eb]

I like the intro its different. I know a lot of the Everclear songs have different intro's. It makes the song interesting.

[dani]

Originally posted by Simon
The pen is mightier than the sword. :)


You're right. And that truly is a great compliment. Thank you.

[Freckles528]

Originally posted by Apoc
The song (starting with the phone message) starts around 24:53 if you want to skip straight to that.

That will work thanks. Im going to listen to it now.:)

[Read JDM]

I didn't necessarily care for the intro, but then I don't think you're meant to like or dislike it when you're hearing only 1/3 of the whole song, misplaced from the album, and on a radio show but not "on the radio." I'm pretty thrown off by the fact that that was a dude, but I don't really care too much right now. It's hard to have a legitimate opinion of little extras like that when they're not being listened to in the context of the actual album.

[Freckles528]

I really liked the song. He does sound like a girl, but it dont have nothing to do with the song. And I must say The coversation right before the song turned my stomach. ewwwwwww


Fudge Brownie!!!!!!!!!! Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

:p

[Apoc]

I like the unique intro. I wish Kiss Goodnight's intro was left in the last CD.

[gowiththemartyr]

I don't care if it is a girl or a boy saying it. He says like: "... I write things down...so... hmm... anyway... give me a call when you have a chance" So just because the song starts with the line "just give me a call when you feel better". Well, I don't know... it could sound more fit to the song if Stephan says it. I mean where does it fit? Is it because this is like a reenactment of him calling her to say that he wrote a song about her. That'd be my guess.

I still don't like it, you can barely understand it. It sounds silly, it's not just this song but every other song that starts with a phone message like this.

I don't care people can read it, and think whatever they want. We are here to discuss things anyway, I don't expect them to change a thing, and I certainly don't say this because I want them to listen to me, but if I don't like something then why not say it. That's what we are here for discuss and give our opinions on music.

[Freckles528]

Originally posted by gowiththemartyr


I don't care people can read it, and think whatever they want. We are here to discuss things anyway, I don't expect them to change a thing, and I certainly don't say this because I want them to listen to me, but if I don't like something then why not say it. That's what we are here for discuss and give our opinions on music.


Exactly. Although I Do like it because its different. I do agree with you.:D

[Read JDM]

Originally posted by gowiththemartyr
I still don't like it, you can barely understand it. It sounds silly, it's not just this song but every other song that starts with a phone message like this.

Every? Have you ever heard 3.14 by Bloodhound Gang? Technically the phone call isn't part of the song (it's a different track), but it is in spirit and it's pretty damned funny.

[Freckles528]

Doesnt Stephan do the same with Fred Dirst on his CD. Its like a converstation between Stephan and Fred. I forgot what they talked about.:D

[jen]

i know mine probably isn't the popular opinion, but here goes....

i love 3eb and i love jt leroy, but i don't care for the phone conversation at the beginning. it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the song, absolutely no correlation what so ever. and it sounds to me as if sj was trying way too hard to get his buddy on the record. wtf? i don't get it.

in fact, i dare say that i really hope it's a separate track on the cd because it'd be really annoying for me to have to skip to the song every time it played on my cd player. i'll be damned if i listened to that intro everytime i want to hear palm reader. it sounds worse than the scatterbrained messages i leave ruby on her cell phone. just cos it's sj's friend doesn't make it cool.

sj was on the phone in that one limp bizkit song, but how often do we break out that song and listen to it just for sj? :confused: does anyone? it seems so played out to have phone convos on a record. not a very original idea, which isn't very 3eb to be unoriginal.

cool for jt, though. who wouldn't love to be forever embedded in music history on a track? i know i would. but then again, this is a reason i don't buy rap records. nowadays all the homies gotta be on the record. here we go.

</rant> (another thing that annoys me... using html little things like this)

i love palm reader though! don't get me wrong!

[Freckles528]

It isnt 3eb. Thats why its different.....For them.

[dani]

<insult>

FUCK YOU JEN

</insult>

[Apoc]

Another reason I think I like the intro is that it is random.

Random is nice ;)

[ThirdeyeBC_30]

Originally posted by Apoc
I like the unique intro. I wish Kiss Goodnight's intro was left in the last CD.

I like it too, but is it going to make the final cut? Like you said Kiss Goodnight's intro was left off. We just need to wait(til March 4):mad: so we can see what's going on. March 4th better be the date............

[Apoc]

Well, they don't have much time to make many changes. I think they'd be more concerned with other unfinished songs.

You'd think a raw CD wouldn't take that long to make.

[spoonman]

Originally posted by dani

I think that if 3eb has made changes to their music based on the opinions of people who post here as has been suggested, that was the worst mistake 3eb ever made because now everyone thinks it's their right....wait...their DUTY to "suggest" things 3eb can do to make the record fit to their own personal preferences. That blows. I'm sorry, but I don't want Palm Reader to change because Aspiring Emporer says so. I don't want the album title to be Crystal Baller because Dave threw a fit. I don't want "lyric changes","upbeat intros" or "kickass bass solos" because some of you miss that from the live show. Did it ever occur to some of you that live versions are supposed to be different to excite us to go to the shows?


didn't they change the title to "out of the vein" because everyone was complaining about how lame "crystal baller" was ?

i know it sucks that all bands except the tools and radioheads are controlled by their audience. it's kind of like a 2nd record executive telling them to get rid of a song because the chorus only occurs once or the lyrics are not completely grammatical. not radio-teeny-bopper-friendly enough. not in line with the band's "style" or "genre". it kills creativity and originality and personality, and we would never have any Sgt Pepper or Pink Floyd or Kid A or The Strokes, no break-through records, only predictable, easy listening. where's the challenge ?

but on the other hand, being a musician is still a job, and their income only comes through with record sales. so if you dont please your audience you're going to go back to sleeping on couches. yes it's sad but true. bands only get about 1 dollar for every disc sold, and you split that 4 ways, its 25 cents. not a lot.


i love 3eb and i love jt leroy, but i don't care for the phone conversation at the beginning. it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the song, absolutely no correlation what so ever. and it sounds to me as if sj was trying way too hard to get his buddy on the record. wtf? i don't get it.

the clip relates to the first line of the song, (i think somebody mentioned that) i think stephan was just trying to make it a little interesting. there's a Pink Floyd song called "Money" that starts with all these sounds of cash registers opening and coins dropping, as it slowly develops into the song. some people might think its pretty lame, but it just makes things more interesting. it gives it some personality. The Beatles' Yellow Submarine started it all with the seaport sounds in the background, so blame them. I think stephan is just trying to add to the whole song, not take away.


it'd be really annoying for me to have to skip to the song every time it played on my cd player. i'll be damned if i listened to that intro everytime i want to hear palm reader. it sounds worse than the scatterbrained messages

hey its only like 10 seconds, probably less than that. it's not like they stuck a tiger beer advert in the middle of the song or something. be patient, if you love the song enough, you'll be patient.

[dani]

I don't think Stephan was going for original here. Lets face it, nothing in music is original anymore. It has all been done. To death.

The point is taking, as an artist, what makes you feel adds to the song FOR YOU and doing it. How do we know the phone conversation has nothing to do with the song, we only heard 2 minutes of it...the whole first verse and chorus. How very judgemental we all are to a song that none of us has heard in it's entirety. Am I the only one that is feeling really grossed out by the idea that 3eb can't do one thing (like release a bit of a song y'all have been dying to hear) without its hardcore fans being pissy about it?

Blah. That's all I have to say. Blah.

[2pacsnotdead]

I still haven't listened to it. i will tonight I swear.

besides, JT's a musician too. No different than having Andrew WK and Kimya Dawson guesting.
even though I haven't heard it yet, from what you guys are saying he sounds like a girl, well maybe that's the point. I think the main reason why he uses initials and crossdresses and talks like that is to keep up his androgeny mystery.

The average buyer of the new record, that's not a hardcore fan like one of us, probably never has heard of JT Leroy and will assume it's a female and maybe that's JT's point, as an artist.

*shrug*

[gowiththemartyr]

I have to say that when I heard the news of JT Leroy being on the record the first thing that came into my mind was a nice poem at the end of one song, maybe to end the record with some nice acoustics and you know that kind of stuff. Hey, even in the middle of the song... shit that could be even better. Like a spoken verse on a song or something like that.


Originally posted by dani
How do we know the phone conversation has nothing to do with the song, we only heard 2 minutes of it...the whole first verse and chorus. How very judgemental we all are to a song that none of us has heard in it's entirety.
uh? haven't you heard the song? I mean almost everyone in here have listen to it, there's an mp3. If we hadn't heard the song before we wouldn't be saying that it has nothing to do with the it.

[dani]

Originally posted by gowiththemartyr
uh? haven't you heard the song? I mean almost everyone in here have listen to it, there's an mp3. If we hadn't heard the song before we wouldn't be saying that it has nothing to do with the it.

you haven't heard a studio version in its entirety. perhaps JT Leroys messages bookend the song. Who knows?!? All I'm saying is people are being soooooooo soooooooooo judgemental of a song people haven't even really heard. Whether you've heard it live or not...you don't know what else is going on in the song on a studio version.

I've been working on SJ.coms lyrics/music/theories page right now and I just finished really listening and disecting the 3 different version of palm reader I have while double checking lyrics that Jen sent me and I think JTs messages REALLY REALLY fit with the song. How can you guys not think so?!?

I know I've done this...but when you're feeling really heartbroken and rejected by someone but you're totally in love with them...don't you call and leave rambling messages? Trying to say something...anything that will inspire them to call you back..if even just to give you a bit of information you "lost."

Example: "Hey Joe, I know I told you I wouldn't call again but I lost that piece of paper I wrote Betty's address on, can you please call me and tell me the address."

And you don't really need the address...you just want them to call you so you can hear their voice because you miss them and you love them and you just need to hear them again...because you want them to tell you "everything will be allright."

That is totally the context of the messages before the song. Desperation. It sounds depressing and desperate need. I love it. You guys suck for not liking it ;)

[jen]

like i said, mine isn't the popular opinion....but to clarify...

3eb is financed by their fans. plain and simple. we're allowed to have a voice, no matter how big of a fan we are or what site we run. just cos someone doesn't like something about a song, doesn't mean they are being pissy. should heaven forbid someone posting their opinion and stating their reasonings?

3eb can choose to listen to their fans or not listen, who really cares? i'm not writing up a petition to get JT off the record, it's fine and dandy with me cos i'm no expert as to what sells records. i have no creative license for making records, i just know i don't particularly care for the phone call attached to Palm Reader. big whoop.

and we didn't voice opinions on the first record cos we didn't hear anything from it until it was all over the radio. yanno?

i wouldn't have said anything about not liking it if it wasn't brought up in the first post...but now i wish i wouldn't have.

and this is directed to no one in particular, so no need for anyone to feel like it is.

[jen]

actually, dani, your post made me way horny! can we have sex now???!#?@!?

I'M GETTING LAID !!!11

[dani]

yeah right! We should rename you Pissy Pisserson! ;)

Jen you're so hottttt. can we go fuck now??????????////////

[Michelle]

No matter how much bitch bitch bitch, and complaining and whining anyone does, we're all here for one reason....let's come back to this subject 2 months from now and see if it'the same story.

[Synder206]

I'm not sure that JT Leroy's is the voice on the message; he may just be the writer. On the show, Stephan said something like "i brought you a book from the writer of this"

[Keano Man]

I'm not sure that JT Leroy's is the voice on the message; he may just be the writer. On the show, Stephan said something like "i brought you a book from the writer of this"

Was that a joke?

[Synder206]

Originally posted by Keano Man
I'm not sure that JT Leroy's is the voice on the message; he may just be the writer. On the show, Stephan said something like "i brought you a book from the writer of this"

Was that a joke?

Do you mean my post or what Stephan said on the show?

I wasn't joking, but Stephan...who knows

[Brian]

Originally posted by Synder206
I'm not sure that JT Leroy's is the voice on the message
Uhh...yeah, it is.

[2pacsnotdead]

I feel like waiting for 3eb is like a 12-step program. we're in denial now, which step is that? 9? 10?

[Synder206]

Originally posted by Menlo Park Rat
Uhh...yeah, it is.

Hehe, way to convince me... ;)

[bluewintermoon]

Big surprise here -- I totally 100% agree with every one of Dani's posts (especially the one about fucking Jen LOL).

I am so in love with Palm Reader, nothing could ruin the song for me, especially not a 15 second intro. JT Leroy shouldn't be making or breaking the song for any of you people, and those of you who say you're going to skip that entire track because you don't like the intro should lick a reindeer sack. If you REALLY REALLY REALLY don't like it, then rip the CD, cut out that part, and burn the CD without it.

And by the way, speaking of intros that need to be skipped: Bon Jovi's "Social Disease." The first ten seconds are of people moaning in uncontrollable ecstasy. Not necessarily a bad thing, but it's kind of embarrassing to have played on my stereo at volume 8. Anyway.

[dani]

Originally posted by bluewintermoon
Big surprise here -- I totally 100% agree with every one of Dani's posts (especially the one about fucking Jen LOL)....

hahaha I said to her "yeah just wait til Kristen reads that..."



and those of you who say you're going to skip that entire track because you don't like the intro should lick a reindeer sack. . [/B]

: pees laughing emoticon :

got reindeer sack?