Here's One for Your Conspiracy Theorists

[Mitch]

http://www.star-telegram.com/667/story/486413.html

i hope to god that this was a mistake. if it's not a mistake in bureaucracy...then something is seriously amiss.

[TheTippingPoint]

Uh the police officers went along with this even though it worried them? Really? No one must have ever been shot in this sort of situation before.

[Yusuf]

Yikes. :no:

One of my biggest fears for Obama has always been the potential for assasination. Whenever we've had a leader that inspires like he does, something bad has always happened - not only in America, but abroad, too. I figured his people had their shit locked down by now, but apparently, if this article is true, there are some major holes that need to be fixed.

[Mitch]

i feel the same way.

so many comparisons between him and kennedy...good lord. security around him should be as tight as possible. i bet mccain's protection has no holes in it.

like i said before, when i saw him in wilmington, there were at least six secret service and/or police snipers on the roofs around us. why would they drop security now?

i'm not honestly trying to suggest anything by this, but i just thought it was odd. hopefully a mistake.

[APlaneTookOff]

One of my biggest fears for Obama has always been the potential for assasination.Gahhhhh... why? Stop! Just stop. I can't imagine why you would even think about it.

There was a journalist in Ottawa who wrote this article for the Sun that basically laid out and described his assassination and how he envisioned it unfolding or something:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/earl-mcrae-kent-brockman-two-harbingers-doom

Sick. I was like.... umm, who in their right mind would write something like that? Who would write it in their f-ing livejournal, let alone a major newspaper??


i bet mccain's protection has no holes in it.And on what are you basing that? Fucking nothing? Right, you're absolutely right, you're basing it on absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:

All these people are safe. I don't think we appreciate just what goes into their security, until you actually witness it, or speak to someone in the secret service. I have a friend whose father was assigned to Bill Clinton. (And while there were lapses, they were 110% caused by him and his dick.) But the people doing their jobs do so superbly, day in day out. There's a better chance of a candidate getting hit by lightning - indoors.

There's no reason to think up assassination scenarios or conspiracy theories or anything. This isn't the movies. This is the real world.

/end rant

I hope that assassination film that's in theatres right now posts a net loss of $190 million.

[lighter_boots]

Yikes. :no:

One of my biggest fears for Obama has always been the potential for assasination. Whenever we've had a leader that inspires like he does, something bad has always happened - not only in America, but abroad, too. I figured his people had their shit locked down by now, but apparently, if this article is true, there are some major holes that need to be fixed.

Reagan was shot, he's the last truly uplifting leader we've had in this country.:yes:

[Mitch]

update: http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upiUPI-20080222-125522-8554&show_article=1

so they say that there wasn't a lapse in security. they just never planned on having the metal detectors to begin with.

...

:uhoh:


translation: it's not that we changed our minds about protecting him, we just decided we didn't want to protect him from the outset.

soo...you just eyeballed ~17,000 people and thought, hey, they look friendly.

i'm sure most of them are anti-gun anyway, being FROM TEXAS AND ALL.

jesus.

[brenan]

i really hope nothing happens.

:dead: its so disgusting that we even have to thing about the possibility.

[APlaneTookOff]

just stop. this is a serious subject, not some fucking cartoon.

[everything_starts_fading]

Damn, what are the chances they catch someone during his next rally after hearing about this one? Accoring to 50 cent "Barack Obama would be shot, becasue America isn't ready for a black president" I would much rather have a black president(not saying I would rather have a white) than a female. No offence ladies

[Maybe]

Damn, what are the chances they catch someone during his next rally after hearing about this one? Accoring to 50 cent "Barack Obama would be shot, becasue America isn't ready for a black president" I would much rather have a black president(not saying I would rather have a white) than a female. No offence ladies
I look at it more like "I would rather have any president than HRC."

[Mitch]

just stop. this is a serious subject, not some fucking cartoon.

dude, what the fuck? what is your problem?

are you saying there are people out there who wouldn't try something like that? for chrissakes, people are getting shot at universities every week. jfk and rfk were both shot, rfk at a political event.

and what are you basing his "100% safe" on? absolutely nothing? yeah, you are.

no one is 100% safe, and the fact that his security detail isn't even bothering to check people for weapons IS fucked up, regardless of what you may think.

take a fucking chill pill.

i never said it was a conspiracy, the thread title was meant in jest.

however, i know this is VERY fucking serious, which is why i started a thread about it.


I would much rather have a black president(not saying I would rather have a white) than a female.

and i hope you're just joking here, because if you're not that's a pretty fucked up thing to say. misogyny is just as bad a racism and saying "no offense" doesn't fix it.

if you don't like hillary, that's fine. i don't like her very much, either. but what the hell are you basing "i'd rather have a male than female president" on? men are better than women?

[APlaneTookOff]

dude, what the fuck? what is your problem?

are you saying there are people out there who wouldn't try something like that? for chrissakes, people are getting shot at universities every week. jfk and rfk were both shot, rfk at a political event."people are getting shot at universities every week?" read that statement back to yourself a few times.


and what are you basing his "100% safe" on? absolutely nothing? yeah, you are.my knowledge? what i've been told? do you have any idea what goes into a presidential candidate's security detail? or even a high profile citizen's like... state police escort or anything? it's not the movies, and it's not something idiot journalists should level BS charges against.

so... is it you're just.....


no one is 100% safe, and the fact that his security detail isn't even bothering to check people for weapons IS fucked up, regardless of what you may think.repeating shit you've seen on the wires?

do you honestly believe "his security detail isn't even bothering to check people for weapons"?

listen, give yourself some credit, cause you are dozens upon dozens of times smarter than the people who wrote that story - and you're smarter than 99% of journalists. there're only a handful on the planet that any of us here can match wits with. and in knowing that, you have to understand that their job is not to report news, since they're so outright caveman dumb they couldn't even logically report if Christ returned to earth.

their job is to report BS.

...so why would you go and repeat their BS? :confused:

yes, no one is 100% safe. Barack Obama however is 110% safe. soooo, let's ignore what psychotic journalists are writing about non-events, k? :rock: :yes:

what pissed me off was the "mccain has no security lapses" jab, in addition to the thread, sorry if i came off all standoffish :flag:

[everything_starts_fading]

Honestly, I know 0 about politics.

[Intoxicated Ricochet]

Obama was on the Tavis Smiley show recently and Tavis played him a clip of MLK back in the day talking about the constant threatening phone calls he'd get and stories of attempts to take his life, and Obama basically said that assassination or anything similar was nowhere near as real or relevant to him as it was with someone like King. Bush has probably gotten more death threats than anyone else the past couple of years, it's not that big of an issue. I sincerely doubt Obama will be going the way of Bhutto anytime soon. There are still crazies everywhere, but this is not 1960's America, the country as a whole no longer is dealing with a climate where large demographics of people are opposed to certain candidates and want to see them dead.


Honestly, I know 0 about politics
Then don't participate in threads like this because the high school shit you spew on here is like syphilitic discharge on my retinas. You are uneducated and need to go into the real world before you make absurd claims and admit you have ZERO to back it up with. Women aren't leading major corporations and educational institutions? You are clueless. I hope a female sports announcer pickles your balls.

[APlaneTookOff]

There are still crazies everywhere, but this is not 1960's America, the country as a whole no longer is dealing with a climate where large demographics of people are opposed to certain candidates and want to see them dead.Sadly, that doesn't stop people on the left coast or people overseas from stereotyping our country as such, almost to the point where it seems like they actually wish it were true.

[everything_starts_fading]

Then don't participate in threads like this because the high school shit you spew on here is like syphilitic discharge on my retinas. You are uneducated and need to go into the real world before you make absurd claims and admit you have ZERO to back it up with. Women aren't leading major corporations and educational institutions? You are clueless. I hope a female sports announcer pickles your balls.

Hahah pickle my balls? Alright though, this was the first time I ever wrote in a political forum, and I obviously made myself look like a fool. I really am clueless with politics. You won't see me in political forums no more, sorry for the inconvenience.

[Will]

Christ, they stop searching at one event and suddenly it's a matter of life and death. You've only got that papers word that they didn't bother with "even a cursory inspection". There's no direct quote there from the Police as to say what they were told to do and in a follow up article it says: "He added there was "no deviation" from the "comprehensive and layered" security plan, implemented in "very close cooperation with our law enforcement partners.""

Do you honestly think Obama's 'people' would allow security they weren't happy with be maintained?

Do believe the media point blank Mitch.

[Yusuf]

Gahhhhh... why? Stop! Just stop. I can't imagine why you would even think about it.

There was a journalist in Ottawa who wrote this article for the Sun that basically laid out and described his assassination and how he envisioned it unfolding or something:
http://www.nowpublic.com/world/earl-mcrae-kent-brockman-two-harbingers-doom

Sick. I was like.... umm, who in their right mind would write something like that? Who would write it in their f-ing livejournal, let alone a major newspaper??

And on what are you basing that? Fucking nothing? Right, you're absolutely right, you're basing it on absolutely nothing. :rolleyes:

All these people are safe. I don't think we appreciate just what goes into their security, until you actually witness it, or speak to someone in the secret service. I have a friend whose father was assigned to Bill Clinton. (And while there were lapses, they were 110% caused by him and his dick.) But the people doing their jobs do so superbly, day in day out. There's a better chance of a candidate getting hit by lightning - indoors.

There's no reason to think up assassination scenarios or conspiracy theories or anything. This isn't the movies. This is the real world.

/end rant

I hope that assassination film that's in theatres right now posts a net loss of $190 million.Bob, I know this is a completely serious matter, and I'm not trying to be a jerk in talking about it, but aside from any influences you may think are clouding my judgment, I am concerned for both Obama and Hillary. Both represent a fundamental and drastic change to American history, sadly because of their race and gender. There are people who don't like change, and there are a smaller group of people who will do anything they can to stop change.

Granted, the possibility is low, but clearly the possiiblity does exist because the Secret Service themselves are thinking about it and dealing with it. if there was no possibility, then you wouldn't need security.

[lighter_boots]

Bob, I know this is a completely serious matter, and I'm not trying to be a jerk in talking about it, but aside from any influences you may think are clouding my judgment, I am concerned for both Obama and Hillary. Both represent a fundamental and drastic change to American history, sadly because of their race and gender. There are people who don't like change, and there are a smaller group of people who will do anything they can to stop change.

Granted, the possibility is low, but clearly the possiiblity does exist because the Secret Service themselves are thinking about it and dealing with it. if there was no possibility, then you wouldn't need security.

There were no left-wing nut jobs out for "W" for the past 7+ years though? :confused: Now that has been some real hatred. It's almost accepted hatred.

It's not 1968, it's 2008. The democrat ideas aren't new and neither is the threat. It's almost like some would hope for some attack because it would go to affirm some racist belief. There is a serious contender for POTUS whose father was African, but we're still a racist country, right?!:confused: Move on already.

I'll repeat: The only almost successful attempt on a high-ranking US official in recent years was in 1985 (?) on President Reagan.

Both Obama and Clinton are US Senators in the party with the congressional leadership! for Christ's sake. They're not exactly on the outside of the power structure looking in!

Please get off this '60's spin-job.

[ImaDude]

racism is alive still

[Will]

But is a Black candidate more likely to be assasinated, than say, an internationally hated figure such as Bush?

I'm not saying either way, but it begs questioning, surely?

[lighter_boots]

racism is alive still

Yep, on the left, because what would we have to do if we couldn't accuse the right of racism? Evaluate a candidate on their ideas?:(

We don't have a Supreme Court Justice or Secretary of State who are black and grew up in the segregated south or anything, do we?!

[brenan]

There were no left-wing nut jobs out for "W" for the past 7+ years though? :confused: Now that has been some real hatred. It's almost accepted hatred.

the problem is who do you go for first? Cheney or Bush? Or Rove? or how about Gonzales?

Obviously the only answer is the "all of the above" and that takes some considerable planning, which is beyond the capacity of your normal run-of-the-mill crazy ex-assassin's guild member.

I mean, he's on lists somewhere, just not very high up. :sigh: it's sad because the media has focused so much on the celebrities like Brittany and Paris that political assassinations just don't pay like they used to. Recruitment is at an all time low. HR blames would-be assassins turning to the more lucrative "paparazzi photographer" position, something that used to be looked down upon in society.

[Yusuf]

There were no left-wing nut jobs out for "W" for the past 7+ years though? :confused: Now that has been some real hatred. It's almost accepted hatred.

It's not 1968, it's 2008. The democrat ideas aren't new and neither is the threat. It's almost like some would hope for some attack because it would go to affirm some racist belief. There is a serious contender for POTUS whose father was African, but we're still a racist country, right?!:confused: Move on already.

I'll repeat: The only almost successful attempt on a high-ranking US official in recent years was in 1985 (?) on President Reagan.

Both Obama and Clinton are US Senators in the party with the congressional leadership! for Christ's sake. They're not exactly on the outside of the power structure looking in!

Please get off this '60's spin-job.I think you're missing my point, which is not all together surprising, but still...

I'm not talking about an assasination based on a hatred of political ideals. I'm talking about hatred based on racism or prejudice, two "traits" which go beyond the political spectrum, and beyond republicans or democracts.

Racism exists. Gender-bias exists. There are people in this country who HATE African Americans. I remember reading about a poll a few years back that showed that 10-15% of Americans thought that the Civil Rights movement was a bad idea. Don't you think there's a slight chance that this minority is not going to be happy with a black (or female) President? I'm guessing they won't be.

G.W.B. may be hated, but he's hated for his political ideology, not his race or gender. Someone may not know a damn about Obama's political policies, but they just may hate the color of his skin... Enough to make them want to do something about it.

[Intoxicated Ricochet]

The sizable minority of Berkeley-going radical anarcho-syndicalists were not pleased when the election was stolen back in '04 by NAU Illuminati members, so they put on their tinfoil helmets and declared an all-out war on AmeriKKKa... but nothing significant has happened on that front yet. I think the threat level that Obama has against him right now is proportionate to other high-profile political celebs with their respective nutjobs. Racism is still widespread and insidious in its subtleties in the 21st century, but again, this is not the 1960's. There are always people that want to "do something about it" regarding shitloads of issues, it's not really new and it's anticipated. Perspective is what counts. I think this sort of relates with what someone else alluded to here regarding the actual parties themselves.. for Republicans, it's not the 80's anymore, that brand of neoconservatism is dead, and for the Dems, the 60's model of idealism and reform is not anywhere near applicable now, it's the 21st century.

[Mitch]

There were no left-wing nut jobs out for "W" for the past 7+ years though? :confused: Now that has been some real hatred. It's almost accepted hatred.

It's not 1968, it's 2008. The democrat ideas aren't new and neither is the threat. It's almost like some would hope for some attack because it would go to affirm some racist belief. There is a serious contender for POTUS whose father was African, but we're still a racist country, right?!:confused: Move on already.

I'll repeat: The only almost successful attempt on a high-ranking US official in recent years was in 1985 (?) on President Reagan.

Both Obama and Clinton are US Senators in the party with the congressional leadership! for Christ's sake. They're not exactly on the outside of the power structure looking in!

Please get off this '60's spin-job.

all i got from this was:

1) racism doesn't exist in this country, and
2) liberals hope obama gets assassinated.

both of those assertions are pretty absurd.

racism isn't just alive in this country, its widespread and affects the way that this country is run on all levels of government. all you need to do to see it is just open your eyes. maybe it's not as bad on the west coast, but here on the east coast where the population is infinitely thicker, it's a gigantic problem.

just because racists have put the fire hoses and (occasionally) the white sheets away, to suggest that racism is gone is absurd. it's visible in everyday events or, at best, lurking just below the surface.

[lighter_boots]

all i got from this was:

1) racism doesn't exist in this country, and
2) liberals hope obama gets assassinated.

both of those assertions are pretty absurd.

racism isn't just alive in this country, its widespread and affects the way that this country is run on all levels of government. all you need to do to see it is just open your eyes. maybe it's not as bad on the west coast, but here on the east coast where the population is infinitely thicker, it's a gigantic problem.

just because racists have put the fire hoses and (occasionally) the white sheets away, to suggest that racism is gone is absurd. it's visible in everyday events or, at best, lurking just below the surface.

I think that "intoxicated ricochet" summed it up pretty well.

But what I get is that we have a Secretary of State and a Supreme Court Justice that are black. By your theory they'd be hated for their ideals and skin color, thus be in danger. Anything happen to them??

We will most likely have a man whose father's heritage is African with a 50/50 shot at the Presidency. Can we at least note that that's not particularly a sign of a racist country?! Please?!

[lighter_boots]

And it isn't like Obama is exactly outside of the establishment. He is a US Senator and Harvard grad, hardly from an outside-the-beltway background now is he?

He's more of an insider than Bill Clinton was in 1992 and he's saying the exact same stuff. Just because someone may be a little unfamiliar with what went down in 1992 doesn't mean that it didn't happen.

[Mitch]

your logic is flawless. we have a black presidential candidate, therefore racism doesn't exist. :rolleyes:

[lighter_boots]

your logic is flawless. we have a black presidential candidate, therefore racism doesn't exist.

And yours is flawless as well. How could any but the most racist of countries ever elect a President who isn't white:confused:? even nominate one?! Those millions of people in those "red states" who have voted for Obama in primaries are racist:yes:

I tell you if it was President Obama and Vice President Condi Rice, we'd be really, really, super racist, right?!:sleep:

Good thing that the face of our foreign policy is already black, we're able to show the world how racist we are as a people. I mean that guy, George W. Bush, he hired her as an adviser then nominated her as Secretary of State, gosh, what a racist republican he is! We are such a racist country:o

We've NEVER had anyone of anything but with the whitest of skin with power in this country. Even England thinks that we have no diversity in our halls of power!

[Matthew]

for the record, this argument about whether the united states is a "racist country" or not is absolutely absurd...

:thdown:

cuz all you're really talkin' about is a label...

and there's no sense in slapping that kind of generality on a country that's constantly evolving...

the united states is a country still dealing with issues of racism...

we've come incredibly far since the 50's and 60's, but we still have progress to make...

and that's kinda the point, isn't it? to always strive for "a more perfect union..."

[sst2]

Why is this such a heated thread?

“J”, just because George W. Bush isn’t a racist doesn’t mean there aren’t racist people in America. Just because a Barack Obama is a serious contender for the White House doesn’t mean certain people aren’t violently upset about it. Just because we have good people in charge of security doesn’t mean that bad things can’t happen. Just because the last assassination attempt happened 22 years ago doesn’t mean it won’t happen again.

Mitch, just because Bobby and lighter_boots have doubts and dismiss problems like this doesn’t mean they are naive—and I’m inclined to believe Bobby that the secret service wouldn’t endanger Obama as much as the media would like to create hype that they are. This is an ugly, nauseating subject, though I think history is testament to the fact that every leader faces threats. And I would agree with you and Yusuf that the comparisons to JFK and MLK are unsettling. Regardless, something like this is completely out of our control and is a touchy subject at best. There is little rationale in further arguing worst-case scenarios.

And as much as I would like to believe that we’re all better than that, I know it’s not true. (http://strider333.blogster.com/kkk_threatens_obama) (http://strider333.blogster.com/kkk_threatens_obama%29).



I would like to see how many females are president of college school, Sports Franchizes, businesses etc. compared to males. It just doesn't seem like there are that many women authority figures, and that is kinda how I see things.

Probably because of people like YOU. :heart:

[Mitch]

for the record, this argument about whether the united states is a "racist country" or not is absolutely absurd...

:thdown:

cuz all you're really talkin' about is a label...

and there's no sense in slapping that kind of generality on a country that's constantly evolving...

the united states is a country still dealing with issues of racism...

we've come incredibly far since the 50's and 60's, but we still have progress to make...

and that's kinda the point, isn't it? to always strive for "a more perfect union..."

that's my point.

when i say that this country is still racist, i obviously don't mean EVERYONE is a racist, that's ridiculous. but to say that just because some blacks have been elected or placed in positions of power mean that race isn't an issue is even more absurd.

[lighter_boots]

for the record, this argument about whether the united states is a "racist country" or not is absolutely absurd...

:thdown:

cuz all you're really talkin' about is a label...

and there's no sense in slapping that kind of generality on a country that's constantly evolving...

the united states is a country still dealing with issues of racism...

we've come incredibly far since the 50's and 60's, but we still have progress to make...

and that's kinda the point, isn't it? to always strive for "a more perfect union..."

And that's my point.............. That's always my point........... It's not all or nothing, it's somewhere in the middle.

And since we've been able to protect our leaders from real threats like Al Qaeda (religious bigots)........... I think that the protection from some random act by a racial bigot will be adequate too. Nothing is 100% safe, but no candidate is in greater danger than the President has been for 7+ years.

[ImaDude]

Yep, on the left, because what would we have to do if we couldn't accuse the right of racism? Evaluate a candidate on their ideas?:(

We don't have a Supreme Court Justice or Secretary of State who are black and grew up in the segregated south or anything, do we?!

In America, civil rights for all races are carried through our government pretty well both through figures (somewhat, see your second comment) and through legislation.

However, the government is only a small player in racial issues, if you insinuate otherwise, you're ridiculous.

Also, it's not unreasonable to think that there are nut jobs out there with a strong distaste for Obama because of the color of his skin. Does it need to be discussed? Definitely not, but it bothers me some that you're acting like it wouldn't happen. Not saying it will, but the likelihood is far greater than any President we've had since Kennedy.

[APlaneTookOff]

The NYTimes takes this crap one step further, bringing it to a wider audience:
In Painful Past, Hushed Worry About Obama (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/us/politics/25memo.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ei=5090&en=c03697c21c0d82fb&ex=1361682000&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1203991270-r9NbTk1GXfU2DDfGKpmX1Q)

And even goes one step further to reveal his secret service code name. Thanks a lot, assholes. :rolleyes:

[Rick_3eb]

The NYTimes takes this crap one step further, bringing it to a wider audience:
In Painful Past, Hushed Worry About Obama (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/25/us/politics/25memo.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ei=5090&en=c03697c21c0d82fb&ex=1361682000&adxnnl=1&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1203991270-r9NbTk1GXfU2DDfGKpmX1Q)

And even goes one step further to reveal his secret service code name. Thanks a lot, assholes. :rolleyes:

Almost as bad as when they told Osama we had his cell number.

Irresponsible pieces of crap.

[The Flicker Fade]

And even goes one step further to reveal his secret service code name. Thanks a lot, assholes. :rolleyes:

People looking to kill him for racist reasons are not smart enough to make use of that information. They'll be the random handgun in a crowd at an outdoor campaign stop.


Still, I don't condone the reveal.

[Intoxicated Ricochet]

NYT sure has a penchant for revealing sensitive material.

[Tactics117]

A vast majority of consipiracy theories are total and utter horse shit!